Maureen (00:01.931)
Welcome everybody to this episode of Sober Fit Life. I have been looking forward to this interview for a very long time. This is my yoga instructor, cycle instructor and friend, Tina Lanzoni. And I don't know if she knows this, but she's been a big part of my alcohol-free journey because I didn't really understand regulating central nervous system, getting into breath work, stillness.
leaning into discomfort. And as I removed alcohol and grew in my alcohol-free lifestyle, I learned how important those things are and were to changing to be a person who doesn't drink or drinks very little in some people's cases. So I wanted, I so wanted to have Tina on here because the things that she says in her classes just really strike a chord with me. And I know this is the very kind of same things I coach on.
in when someone wants to change their relationship with alcohol and it's so applicable to life. So I want to just get into introducing you to Tina and we'll just have a conversation about all the beautiful things she says in her classes. So Tina is a yoga therapist, certified mindfulness meditation teacher and an indoor cycling instructor, which you wouldn't think that last one, but believe me, her cycle classes are extremely challenging. I'm going to let her tell you
all the details of her certifications, but Tina incorporates meditation, somatic movement, yin, breath work, eye rest, and her teachings to assist students in developing an understanding of the physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual connection that is just so important. And I love in her quote here, Tina says, and I know this is true because I see her live it, I hear her speaking, yoga and meditation are my life's passions. I believe
It is what I was put on this earth to do. I feel so fortunate to be able to share this practice with others. And I feel so fortunate, to be able to be one of your students. And I'm so excited to bring your knowledge and wisdom today to my audience. So welcome, Tina.
Tina Lanzoni (02:14.518)
thank you, Maureen. Wow, that was beautiful. And I feel so incredibly honored to be here with you and to watch your journey and the beauty that has unfolded. And it has really been a gift. Thank you for that introduction. I don't know that anything else really needs to be said. seem to have hit
you know, the certifications and what I do and how I try to share this work with others. And that's really what's important to me in life.
Maureen (02:48.877)
Mm-hmm.
Maureen (02:52.651)
Yeah, we've known each other for a long time in this town as in the fitness kind of world. I was a fitness instructor at one point, but, and I don't know if you remember this, but I do. I was really going through a deep depression. I was drinking. My mother was sick. My father, we were taking care of my mother together, my siblings, my father. And I came to you and I was really struggling, really depressed. We had a conversation and I remember
just talking to you and just even feeling like a calm and a peace talking to you. You just have a very calming voice that I love to hear. But then it was a couple of years later, actually in 2018 when my father did pass, he had a stroke and he died and it was very surprising. We all thought he was going to live to like a hundred. So it was very painful. And I came to you for yoga trauma therapy, kind of. I'm probably saying that wrong.
individual one-on-one and I really didn't know what I was getting into. I just know that I was holding a lot of sadness and stress and I felt really safe with you so I wanted to come to you. So can you talk a little bit about that kind of work that you do, this one-on-one therapy? Because I couldn't believe the release and where I was holding it in my hips and all this stuff I learned with you was just so interesting. It was part of the beginning of my journey of not drinking.
But if you could share maybe that kind of work that you do, the one-on-one.
Tina Lanzoni (04:19.203)
Yeah.
I would love to. And of course I remember all of that with you, of course. And I think when people think of yoga in the US, we think of a very, very physical practice. And in some ways in the United States, we have taken yoga and we have molded it to fit our lifestyle.
Maureen (04:39.97)
Yes.
Tina Lanzoni (04:50.702)
Right? Which is what everybody does. But when you study yoga and you study yoga deeply, you study something called the yoga sutras. And the yoga sutra is a thread and there are like 170, I should know this, two or 76 little threads of wisdom that kind of help you to diminish suffering and to live.
life. But what's amazing about it is that it starts, you know, again, we think about yoga being physical, it starts with, here we go, let's go into this exploration of yoga. The second Sutra says, yoga is the cessation of the fluctuations of the mind. Yoga is quieting the mind. That is what yoga is.
Maureen (05:41.655)
Hmm.
Tina Lanzoni (05:47.488)
And as you go through and you understand how much this thinking ruminating mind of ours holds us back, you realize that you're such a multi-dimensional person. We just identify with this physical body, right? But what we don't realize is that
Maureen (05:56.065)
Yes.
Maureen (06:06.124)
Mm-hmm.
Tina Lanzoni (06:15.746)
like what you were saying about holding things in your hips, right? That if we're living here, one of my favorite quotes is, Mr. Duffy lived a short distance from his body. And I love that, right? Because we all live in our heads. Nobody is embodied. So the work that I do is about getting people to get into their bodies.
Maureen (06:33.654)
Yes.
Tina Lanzoni (06:45.966)
to feel their bodies rather than think, think, think. Most of the time people don't even know that they're thinking and that they're ruminating about something, you know, but to be in their bodies rather than avoid what is here, right? And then as I go into my body and I understand that I'm a multi-dimensional human being, meaning I'm made up of a physical body
Maureen (07:03.969)
Yes.
Tina Lanzoni (07:15.062)
an emotional body, a cognitive thought body, right? And buried under all of those things is who I was when I first came to this earth, before anybody defined me, right? And so the journey of yoga therapy is about really, who are you?
Maureen (07:35.17)
Yes.
Tina Lanzoni (07:42.476)
Not what the thoughts in your head tell you that you are. Not how other people define you. Life is a journey of discovering really who we are.
Maureen (07:55.221)
And yet we spend so much time almost running away from that, numbing it, not being embodied. That's certainly what I was doing with drinking. Drinking is actually chaos. And it's also a way to just shut off those ruminating thoughts, not to learn how to be in your body. And so, yes, you always talk about being embodied, be in this moment. You're here now.
Tina Lanzoni (08:16.846)
Right.
Tina Lanzoni (08:24.994)
Right, completely, completely. And I mean, you just said it exquisitely. If I am in this body, I am living in this present moment. I am not going back and having doubt about what I did before. I am not worrying about what's to come in the future. I am here in this living, breathing body.
that I can train myself right yoga is the cessation of the fluctuations of the mind right the more that I can train myself to be embodied the more present I become the less you know fluctuations that are in my mind and ultimately the less suffering that I have
Maureen (08:57.613)
Mm-hmm. Is training.
love that.
Maureen (09:19.757)
Peace, there's a peace and a calm. And that's on the mental level and then the actual physiological level, what happens to your central nervous system when you embody these practices. And the word practice, and just like what I talk about with my clients, all this is new, creating new neural pathways. For me, practicing yoga and breath work. For people who are trying not to drink, it's the new neural pathway of
Tina Lanzoni (09:23.351)
for sure.
Maureen (09:49.365)
Instead of stopping your ruminating thoughts, your stress with drinking, what else can we do? And one of those things is yoga and breath work and stillness. So I love how they integrate. That's what I always feel, you know, when we talk that our work that we both do is integrated.
Tina Lanzoni (09:59.992)
Right.
Tina Lanzoni (10:07.086)
Completely, absolutely. And I think you brought about a great point that, you know, this is a practice. This will be a practice until the day I die. I am not Buddha. I am not Jesus, right? I am not this enlightened being. I have to practice this every single day of my life, right? And I practice it
Maureen (10:16.545)
Mm-hmm.
Maureen (10:29.805)
Mm-hmm.
Tina Lanzoni (10:37.462)
when I'm practicing my yoga practice, but that cultivation of practicing it in the quiet of my home, right? This is where I practice in my attic studio, right? Helps me then to embody it, to go out and live my life that way. And it's these little tiny, tiny changes that add up over years of
time.
Maureen (11:07.585)
Yes, and that's such an important point. It's baby steps, it's consistency, it's showing up. And it's also giving yourself self-compassion. Like you speak to this in yoga, me coming from the fitness world and push, push, push and lift harder. Yoga has really helped me to slow down and accept that I can't go any further in this one position. And you always say, receive that.
breathe into that, relax into that, stop contracting into that and resisting it and what can it teach you? And I think that is so valuable when you make me think about those things and how it applies to when I walk out of the yoga studio to the rest of my life.
Tina Lanzoni (11:48.056)
Right, right, because we're always striving more and more and more, harder, harder, harder, right? And yeah, and what are we striving for? Where are we trying to get to? You know, are we trying to find this, you know, I think it's such a disservice the things that were being said.
Maureen (11:57.271)
Go, go, go.
Maureen (12:04.961)
Yeah, that's a question.
Tina Lanzoni (12:16.394)
about always trying to be happy. You know, I mean, you look on social media and everybody has the perfect life and there's something wrong with me, right? That is the biggest core belief. What's wrong with me? I'm not enough. That's the biggest core belief.
Maureen (12:19.659)
Mm-hmm.
Maureen (12:36.321)
Yes, I am not enough. hear that all the time and I felt that myself for years. It's comparison. Of course. Yeah.
Tina Lanzoni (12:41.036)
Right, right. mean, I, I exactly, I still struggle with it, right? You know, because it's, it's, it's embedded in my psyche. And so if, if I can learn to be with what is and not push any further, right? Like to just sit in stuff, to, sit with being unhappy.
Maureen (12:50.445)
Mm-hmm.
Maureen (13:07.362)
Mm-hmm.
Tina Lanzoni (13:10.69)
to sit with sadness, to sit with anger. You know, this is how I see how yoga has affected my life in the 25 years that I've taught, right? I used to get behind the wheel of a car and I would be so pissed off if somebody would cut me off, right? And then this whole thing would start happening. And what I've learned to do is that part of being human is that
Maureen (13:32.449)
Yes.
Tina Lanzoni (13:40.926)
Anger is going to arise. Sadness is going to arise. There are going to be difficult emotions that arise. This is part of being human. These things are supposed to be here. And if I can learn to feel them, I learn I forget who said this. I think it was and I can't think of her name right now, but the woman who had a stroke.
Maureen (13:59.554)
Yes.
Tina Lanzoni (14:08.168)
Like I think she wrote a book like stroke of genius or something like that. Jill. Anyway, that an emotion last for 90 seconds. I mean, think about that. How long are we stuck in emotions? Days, years. Because we keep feeding them and we push them away. We push them down. We
Maureen (14:21.163)
Yes.
Maureen (14:28.981)
Years. Mm hmm. Yes, we're on a loop.
Tina Lanzoni (14:38.082)
bury them and we don't feel them and allow them to be there.
Maureen (14:43.297)
Yeah, I want to go back to what you said and it ties into this because we're getting messaged all the time through social media, through advertising, through the shows we watch. We're supposed to be happy. We're supposed to be comfortable, right? And if we're not, we need to take something, drink something, scroll through something, buy something to not feel those feelings. We are told we should not feel discomfort.
Tina Lanzoni (15:09.294)
completely.
Maureen (15:11.725)
And yet leaning into that discomfort in our minds, in our thought processes, and this is what you teach us in our practice in yoga, leaning into the discomfort of say the pose, is where you grow.
Tina Lanzoni (15:27.234)
Right, because if I'm feeling, let's say the practice of yin and for people who are listening who don't know what that is, it's a practice where you are on the ground and you're holding really deep stretches. And when somebody comes into that and they're new, they'll say, this hurts. And so then I say, well, tell me about hurt. What does hurt feel like?
and then they'll say like, it's just really uncomfortable. So automatically I see, this person has to learn to be with discomfort, right? And then as you go into the body and as you learn to sit with discomfort, as you learn to feel discomfort, and we are layered human beings, right? We kind of go through those layers. We start to feel in the body how it is an automatic
Maureen (16:16.556)
Yes.
Tina Lanzoni (16:25.418)
reactive response to contract against discomfort. Yet, right? So if I'm contracting something's hard, I'm making it harder. Aren't I? And you know, and if I can learn back to that, you know, emotion lasts for 90 seconds to relax and feel what's here as it's here.
Maureen (16:29.122)
Yes.
Maureen (16:36.023)
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yes.
Maureen (16:51.053)
Mm-hmm.
Tina Lanzoni (16:52.706)
the discomfort of whatever it might be. I learn that I can deal with things, which builds a resiliency in me. And I also learn that I can...
Maureen (17:00.119)
Yes.
Tina Lanzoni (17:10.996)
My mind has made something more difficult than what is actually here. Does that make sense?
Maureen (17:16.392)
That's so true. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. I share this with clients in a different way, not emotions, but cravings or urges. They too will pass and they're even faster than emotions, like 30 to 40 seconds. And it's like a wave, we call it urge surfing. So as a wave builds, it builds, it builds, but it's going to break. And on the other side of that is release.
helping people to lean into the discomfort. Why am I craving alcohol right now? What do I think it's going to give me? What am I trying to resist or avoid or contract away from? And so if they can lean into that, they can learn, well, I feel really stressed out. Well, is it true that alcohol is going to help? And we go through that process. Like you said, know, learning about discomfort and it's okay.
Tina Lanzoni (17:53.592)
Great.
Tina Lanzoni (18:06.946)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's part of being human, right? And it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be. If I am unhappy, there's not anything wrong with me. I mean, we have a negativity bias, right? I mean, you
Maureen (18:13.452)
Yes.
Maureen (18:19.756)
Right.
Maureen (18:29.623)
Mm-hmm. Mm. Yes.
Tina Lanzoni (18:34.28)
Rick Hansen, who's a meditation teacher and a psychiatrist, he says that, you know, negative thought is like Teflon. I mean, no, negative thought is like Velcro and positive thought is like Teflon. We hold on to the negativity because it's part of our survival. So we have to understand the workings of our mind. We have to understand how our minds work.
Maureen (18:56.599)
Right.
Mm-hmm.
Tina Lanzoni (19:04.162)
just as you were saying, as you do with your clients, then you question it. Is that true? Right, you get curious. Curiosity is a beautiful thing. Yeah.
Maureen (19:08.481)
Yes, you get curious.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. When I first started my own alcohol-free journey, I had a coach and she would say, you need to be curious. And I really did not know what that meant. I did not know. And now I see it everywhere. And you often, you always actually talk about it no matter what class we're in to be curious about that feeling you're having about, you know, it hurts or I don't want to do this or, you know, and you always ask this great question. Why wouldn't you want to see what you can do?
or who you can be in this moment. I love that question. Can you speak to that? Like what you're trying to get that message across.
Tina Lanzoni (19:45.462)
Yeah, right?
Tina Lanzoni (19:52.302)
You know
Again, from conditioning, from core beliefs, we sell ourselves short all the time. I mean, my goodness, we are amazing, brilliant, strong, vibrant creatures, and fear holds us back. And so to drop in to
Maureen (20:20.151)
Mm-hmm.
Tina Lanzoni (20:25.102)
feel it and to just take a chance. what happens, what happens, you know, for you, what happens if I live one day without alcohol, right? Yeah. I mean, and then because you, the unfolding to see the unfolding of a human being.
Maureen (20:36.673)
Yes. Yeah, that's where it starts.
Maureen (20:48.444)
yes.
Tina Lanzoni (20:50.83)
Stunning. Stunning. Right?
Maureen (20:52.865)
And that's why you do what you do, right? You love to see that. And same here.
Tina Lanzoni (20:56.186)
my goodness. Right, right. The beauty that is again, you know, in yoga, we call them kosha's. Kosha's are coverings. It means it's a Sanskrit word that means sheath and it covers the essence of who you are. You're not your physical body. You're not your emotions. You're not your thoughts. You are beyond what you could ever imagine.
Maureen (21:22.669)
Mm.
Tina Lanzoni (21:24.256)
And the journey of life is to discover that. Know thyself. Know thyself. It's what it's all about.
Maureen (21:36.939)
I love this meme, I guess you call it. It's a caterpillar talking to a butterfly and the caterpillar says to the butterfly, you've changed. And the butterfly says, we're supposed to, you know, and I love that. And you kind of spoke to that in class the other day that at the end of our lives, we should not be where we are right now, stuck in the same. We want to change and grow and shed what no longer serves us. And why wouldn't we want to see who we can be?
Tina Lanzoni (22:05.102)
completely, sometimes people get to a certain age and they think the best part of their life is over, right? And then you see people like in their 80s that are still have this curiosity and this zest for life to continue to grow. And so
Maureen (22:12.589)
Mm-hmm.
Maureen (22:30.541)
Mm-hmm.
Tina Lanzoni (22:32.906)
Again, back to that notion of, you know, discipline and practice and small steps. And, you know, in the work that I do, if I can just keep noticing when I'm not present, when I'm stuck in my head and keep, you know, feeding present moment, let me
Maureen (22:52.929)
Yes.
Tina Lanzoni (23:02.488)
Just keep coming back to this moment. Let me just keep coming back. Pretty soon those self sabotaging thoughts quiet a little. know, at first it may be like,
Maureen (23:13.101)
Mm-hmm.
Tina Lanzoni (23:18.956)
What? a space be... First it's like people don't even notice that they're thinking, they're caught up in their self-sabotaging. But then it's like a second, there's a second of peace. And if I keep practicing it, there's 30 seconds of peace, right? And it just keeps expanding. And as it keeps expanding in you, then like when I'm having a conversation with you,
Maureen (23:37.271)
Yes.
Maureen (23:47.085)
Hmm.
Tina Lanzoni (23:47.734)
I'm listening to you. I'm present and you feel that and you feel heard and then it's this beautiful reciprocal thing that unfolds.
Maureen (23:56.13)
Yes.
Maureen (23:59.949)
Yeah, and it spreads to other people. I love what you said, notice. That's such a key word because I think we're so busy and in our heads and in the next moment or five moments ahead, we don't notice unless we're encouraged to notice. And I do that as well. know, notice how you're feeling. And you always encourage us in class, like notice how this pose or notice when we're holding this high level in cycle, how you're feeling.
And you always say, come back to the present, one pedal stroke, one pedal stroke. And you keep us in the present. And it's such a challenge for everybody not to be like planning their day while they're in class. And that is a practice in itself too, to, as you're saying, to be present. Notice the stillness.
Tina Lanzoni (24:34.349)
Right.
Tina Lanzoni (24:42.136)
Yeah.
Tina Lanzoni (24:46.988)
Right. We're trying to change the habits of coming out of ourselves, right? We come, know, something's uncomfortable. Let me, which you so eloquently said, let me go to social media. Let me drink, let me eat, let me shop, let me watch TV. Let me get out of myself.
Maureen (25:12.194)
Yes.
Tina Lanzoni (25:14.306)
The only place to find peace is when you go into yourself. You are never going to find it out here. Ever. You're never going to find it.
Maureen (25:26.135)
And when you say go into yourself, you don't mean like isolate and stay in your head in a negative way.
Tina Lanzoni (25:31.594)
No, no, no. I mean, feel what's here and what is here is temporary. And that's one of the biggest teachings in life is that everything is transient. I may be struggling really hard today, but if I can just hang here and be with it.
Maureen (25:41.581)
Mm-hmm.
Tina Lanzoni (25:59.822)
10 minutes might be different. Tomorrow morning when I wake up, might look different. Does look different, not might, right? So it's like when you stay with something, when you really just sit in something, let's say it's physical discomfort, like I have this incredible pain in my back. If I really explore it and
I close my eyes to do this because this is what I do in my own life. And I'm feeling it. And I am so intimate with the sensation of what I label as pain in my body. I notice that it's always changing. And I can do that with my emotions, like all this anger feels hot and clenching and whatever it is. And guess what? It's changing.
Maureen (26:40.141)
Mm-hmm.
Tina Lanzoni (26:57.942)
And this thought, this negative thought that I have about someone or about myself or my thoughts are always changing. Everything is always changing. But what's not changing is that part of me that is aware of everything changing. And I find that part of me by being still and going inward.
Maureen (27:23.661)
Why do you think we're so against that? Like why do you think it's not our nature to do that?
Tina Lanzoni (27:31.554)
That's a really good question.
I would say one is that again, what we're feeding, what we're fed, excuse me, what we're constantly. One, two, it takes courage to sit and to be with what is. And three, we really don't have an understanding that things are transient.
Maureen (27:42.369)
Yes. Yes. Constantly marketing.
Maureen (27:52.087)
Courage, yes.
Maureen (27:56.097)
Mm-hmm.
Tina Lanzoni (28:04.248)
People can tell us that, but until we learn to sit with it and really embody that everything is transient, we don't know it in our biology.
Maureen (28:16.993)
and we have to experience it ourselves. Someone can't tell you their experience, just like I might share with someone, you're never going to believe this, but without alcohol life, as you said, unfolds, it's layers, it's become incredible. I've changed so much and that person drinking could be like, yeah, right. And I get it, people used to say those kinds of things to me. I wasn't ready to experience that. So someone can tell you their experience, but you have to embody it.
Tina Lanzoni (28:37.198)
to learn.
Maureen (28:47.147)
yourself and you have to be willing to go through the process. And in the beginning of anything, it's always going to be a challenge. And I think that is something we all think we should have instant gratification, instant success. I should be good at yoga right away. I should be able to hit that spinning interval that Tina's giving me with no problem. But no, your whole point is always to challenge us to grow, to not stay.
But we come in, I guess it's the unrealistic expectations I'm getting to that we all have of ourselves.
Tina Lanzoni (29:21.582)
And I think you hit the nail on the head with we are a society of instant gratification. So we have to teach ourselves to be disciplined and to commit to something, right? my alarm goes off at 5.30 in the morning to get up and meditate. Sometimes I don't have a good night's sleep.
Maureen (29:45.485)
Mm.
Tina Lanzoni (29:50.166)
drag myself out of bed because I know I came to this practice, you know, a long time ago with a lot of anxiety. And I know by doing the work, by staying dedicated and committed to getting up and meditating and doing breath work, I can down-regulate my nervous system. I can manage my anxiety, but it is not a quick fix.
Maureen (30:00.749)
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
Tina Lanzoni (30:19.83)
which is what we are so programmed for.
Maureen (30:22.273)
Yes, which is where alcohol comes in. And that term too, down-regulate your central nervous system. I again, did not understand that before, even as being a fitness instructor, because I was always more pushing, you know, do contests, lift harder, push, go, go, go. I wasn't down-regulating my central nervous system and I didn't realize I was using alcohol to do that. And that's where this important practice of stillness, breath work, meditation, leaning into the discomfort comes in.
So I just love how you always reinforce the work I do on myself and the work I do with clients. And that's why I just really wanted to have you on here. But I wanted to shift gears a little bit because Tina is an incredible yoga instructor and you can hear in her voice, it's just so calming. I love to hear her talk. And so when I found out she was teaching cycle, I thought, well, this will be interesting. Don't let her niceness fool you.
She is a very challenging cycle instructor, but it's such a different class because it's about being embodied and leaning into the discomfort again. And sometimes we do a meditative cycle, which I've never done before. And it's so interesting to stay in that discomfort and to just be embodied and not leave the class mentally. And so it's, again, it's just such an interesting practice. And I love that you've
Tina Lanzoni (31:24.159)
You
Maureen (31:50.069)
introduced that in my life. And I know, believe me, it's hard to get in her classes. Everybody loves to take her classes. But I wanted to shift gears because you have another part of your story that I wanted to share with clients. Because sometimes people come to me and they're like, Maureen, I want to change my relationship with alcohol, but I'm married. My spouse still drinks and doesn't want to change. They don't even have an issue with alcohol, but they're not going to change. And they're worried about that. And you have some experience in your own personal life with that. Can you share that from your perspective?
Tina Lanzoni (31:56.907)
Aww, that's sick.
Tina Lanzoni (32:19.95)
Yeah, a long time ago, I've been married this year, gosh, it be 35 years and thank you. And about 33 years ago, 30, gosh, is that true? No, 30 years ago, my husband stopped drinking. And
Maureen (32:28.867)
Congratulations.
Maureen (32:44.237)
Mm.
Tina Lanzoni (32:49.046)
And I always felt like...
he needed to be empowered to do that on his own. That it wasn't my journey, that it was his journey, his choice. So he did that and has still done that. Yeah. And I did not change my lifestyle. Now I don't, you know, I have a glass of wine here and there.
Maureen (32:58.178)
Yes.
Maureen (33:01.921)
Mm-hmm.
Maureen (33:10.273)
Wonderful.
Tina Lanzoni (33:22.058)
I never really drank a lot.
didn't feel like, I mean, I don't really know, it's gonna not bring me not sound right, but I didn't feel like it was mine to change. was his, it was, yeah, it was his journey. And I'm always here to support him as we do our spouses.
Maureen (33:40.245)
Absolutely. Yeah.
Maureen (33:49.835)
Yeah, that's what I wanted you to speak to is how your support, you didn't change, but you supported him.
Tina Lanzoni (33:56.172)
Yeah, yeah, mean, supported him and loved him through it. And I see the beautiful man that he is now from the strength that he can see in himself that he has. And God, it's taken a long time, but now he sits on the couch with me in the morning and meditates with me.
Maureen (34:13.345)
Yes.
Maureen (34:24.119)
Wow, that's great.
Tina Lanzoni (34:25.75)
And that didn't happen right away, you know, like he, his, his path was, you know, he's a musician and playing music and, you know, he found other ways to reduce his stress, right? You know, everybody has their own way. Meditation yoga isn't the path for everybody, you know? But awareness is, awareness is the path for everybody, for sure.
Maureen (34:37.613)
Mm-hmm. Yes.
Maureen (34:48.791)
Yes. Change can only happen with awareness. You have to become aware. And I love how you say, you know, everyone has to find out what tools work for them, what lights them up. But being willing to try different things and at different times in your life, you might be willing to, like now you say he's meditating. But I love, I just wanted you to share that you're supportive and even though you didn't change your lifestyle, you know, because you never really had an issue with alcohol. So,
Tina Lanzoni (34:54.156)
Yeah, right.
Tina Lanzoni (35:00.408)
Yeah. Right.
Tina Lanzoni (35:17.646)
Great.
Maureen (35:18.239)
And I did want to share in a cycle class one time and I just thought this was so great. You were telling a story and as you do in the beginning and you said, you know, last night was a little bit stressful and I was cooking dinner and I thought I'm going to pour myself a glass of wine. And then I thought, no, I'm not going to. And I thought, wow, what a great message. Because I know when I was a fitness instructor, I'd be like, come on, let's work off the alcohol we drank last night or...
If you're going to happy hour, know, work off now, I would say things like that. And I loved how you did not say that. And instead you told people this mindset shift you had and that you just chose not to drink. And it was such a healthy message to share with your clients.
Tina Lanzoni (36:01.678)
Well, and I don't know if I shared the rest of that story, but it was a hard day. It was a really difficult day. And, you know, again, this, this want to avoid feeling, right? We all have these, to avoid these feelings that we turn to other things rather than turn inward and experience. And what I ended up doing that day was turning on music.
Maureen (36:17.388)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Maureen (36:31.051)
Yeah. I love that.
Tina Lanzoni (36:31.958)
and singing and it shifted it. I was like, my gosh, this is a revelation. Like what, there's so much at our fingertips that can help support us through the struggles that we go through being human. And music is one of those beautiful things.
Maureen (36:36.418)
Yes.
Maureen (36:52.013)
Mm-hmm.
Maureen (36:55.841)
Yeah, I loved when you shared that story and that is again, something I share with my clients. Find healthy ING activities. So singing, dancing, writing, journaling, gardening, know, not the unhealthy ones, meditating, yoga-ing, is that a word? We'll make it one. Yeah, and the unhealthy ones would be smoking, drinking, scrolling, know, excessive shopping and there's many more, gambling, but the healthy ones. So think of what lights you up.
Tina Lanzoni (37:09.342)
Meditating. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're getting we'll make it a word
Maureen (37:24.951)
with the healthy ING activity and singing, there's so much with music that taps into so much, even if you're not a good singer. Yeah. I just love how you embody your work and you set such a good example and you really just helped me to lean into discomfort and try new things and change and grow. And I...
Tina Lanzoni (37:29.836)
Yeah, yeah. Exactly, I was so glad nobody was there with me at that moment. But yeah, completely, completely.
Maureen (37:52.129)
continue to do that and I think you're just so inspiring and I'm so grateful you came on here today to share. Is there anything else you would like to share or maybe how people could get in touch with you or do any anything you have to offer that you would like to?
Tina Lanzoni (38:06.51)
Yeah, yeah. You know, I think...
The journey of meditating is a journey of presence is a journey of pausing, right? I mean, you've probably heard me saying million times in class that slowness creates consciousness, right? So if I can pause.
Maureen (38:22.573)
Mm.
Maureen (38:30.69)
Yes.
Tina Lanzoni (38:39.884)
and take a moment and go from this, you know, for your clients, I want to drink, to feeling what's here, pause and be embodied. Then I'm not supporting those reactive behaviors, right? My habits. And I can just keep making another choice. It's like, you know, I know you probably know this quote, but it's, again, I have a lot of favorite quotes, but this is,
Maureen (38:47.341)
Mm-hmm.
Maureen (38:58.967)
Yes.
Maureen (39:08.609)
I know, I love that.
Tina Lanzoni (39:09.826)
Definitely a big one for me and it's it's Victor Franko Franko and it's between stimulus and response See if I can get this right between stimulus and response. There's a space and in that space which was the pause to me is our power to choose our response and in that response lies our growth
Maureen (39:13.894)
yeah. Yes.
Tina Lanzoni (39:38.926)
and our freedom. I mean, that's like, boom, boom, that's it. That's the key to life right there. That's it. So yeah, if I if I can help anybody, this this is what I want to do. This is what I'm here to do. You know, I at
Maureen (39:40.023)
Yes.
Boom, that is it.
Tina Lanzoni (40:05.358)
resolutions and you know, you're welcome to come in to try a class on that groundswell yoga if you use my name Tina, you can sign up and just get a free class whenever you'd like and you know step out of your box and and and try something new and The world's exciting. There's there's a lot out there and a lot to learn and a lot to be curious about
Maureen (40:27.661)
Mm-hmm.
Maureen (40:31.819)
Yeah, I love that. And so that's Indianapolis area for people who are local. But yeah, so the message is really to stay. No, go ahead.
Tina Lanzoni (40:36.428)
Yeah, yeah. And Tina again, I'm sorry, and Tina Lanzone, TinaLanzone.com. I have a lot virtual too. So, you know, meditation, we meditate, meditate virtually. And so, yeah, there's a, there's a, there's a lot of resources, you know, take one little step towards something.
Maureen (40:46.125)
Maureen (40:52.045)
Hmm.
Maureen (41:00.459)
Yes. Thank you so much, Tina, for sharing your gift. And I'm so honored I get to experience it personally.
Tina Lanzoni (41:08.472)
Maureen, thank you for doing the beautiful work that you do and having that in my life and to see somebody who can support somebody in this journey. Right on, sister. Beautiful. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely.
Maureen (41:23.575)
Thank you, right back at you. Thanks again.
